Curse

Warskull · Jan 25, 2007, 06:16 PM // 18:16

Ever think some of these things might actually be overpowered or bad for the game. In addition some things were just terrible ideas to begin with and shouldn't be in the game at all, since they can't remove skills they have to nerf them into oblivion. A great example of a skill like this is signet of mystic wraith. If this skill is ever good you get to run into obnoxious 6 or 8 monk builds that attempt to spike with it. They are miserable to play against because even if they can never kill any of you it takes forever to break their defenses.

IWAY was overpowered. Dual orders and heal party with infinite range were overpowered. Stacking IAS was severely overpowered. IWAY having infinite range was too good. The old fear me that IWAY used to use was overpowered (seriously, it was originally agro bubble range.)

Look at some of the things slated for nerf in the test patch. Dom mesmers being better spikers and AoE than eles is silly. Critical chop is crazy good. E.Surge is better than most ele AoE. B.Surge is insanely good.

tomcruisejr · Jan 25, 2007, 06:43 PM // 18:43

Spiritual pain is overpowered. Critical chop is overpowered. mending touch is overpowered. energy surge is overpowered.

Franco Power · Jan 25, 2007, 07:29 PM // 19:29

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Originally Posted by Thomas.knbk

Soon after he was kicked from DeeR he applied to another guild, which I was applying for as well.
His app was like this:

IGN: Legendary Dryder
rank 11
I invented Bloodspike and IWAY. I own.

I'll be expecting my invite in a few minutes

So, either someone put some real effort in that joke or he actually does claim to have invented iway.

Either way, Ian Boyd>us all

lol actually it was , I remember crystal clear because i laughed so much

IGN Legendary Dryder, you all probably know me im the most famous pvp player in Guild Wars, i invented iway i ivented blood spike.

(with bad spelling )

lol

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Originally Posted by tomcruisejr

Spiritual pain is overpowered. Critical chop is overpowered. mending touch is overpowered. energy surge is overpowered.

Syra dont go raging at me, but i agree SP is over powered, critical chop not really, compared to the dmg output and pressure a dervish and a thumper can give, a warrior really isnt that good. Mending touch is ok as it is, energy surge is not over powered, it's already just a energy burn with aoe.

Effigy · Jan 25, 2007, 11:45 PM // 23:45

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Originally Posted by JR-

http://files.filefront.com/flarewaya.../fileinfo.html

If there's a video component to this, it's not showing up for me. Any ideas?

Ganks · Jan 26, 2007, 12:37 AM // 00:37

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Originally Posted by zakaria

Since the creation of IWAY build that i still admitting who ever discovered it was genius

I stopped reading once you said that and I would bet a few others did too.

Randomway Ftw · Jan 26, 2007, 03:05 PM // 15:05

Lol, I found it by searching dryder + IWAY in google.

http://forums.apathyinc.net/viewtopi...751862 90f854

Phades · Jan 26, 2007, 03:47 PM // 15:47

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Originally Posted by Effigy

If there's a video component to this, it's not showing up for me. Any ideas?

You nee the DivX third party codec.

Thomas.knbk · Jan 26, 2007, 04:22 PM // 16:22

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Originally Posted by Randomway Ftw

Lol, I found it by searching dryder + IWAY in google.

http://forums.apathyinc.net/viewtopi...751862 90f854

Nah that's not the one I meant. It was on the Anapalytic Shock [nuts] forum, but they seem to have gotten a new forum since then.

Mr_Unlucky · Jan 26, 2007, 11:35 PM // 23:35

Today we played the ``Zergway`` with our guild in HA. And when we won and someone from the opposing team said ´´All you want to do is bring IWAY back´´
I though that the build we are running is .. well ofcourse its copied, we didnt invented it, but i mean the build we are using is lame to run?. We are lamers course we are playing that build (zergway) because , I dont know why.
My question is. Im trying to make this understandable. Is running someone elses build lame is it bad thing to do, will people hate me because i get fame with it? What is the honorable way to win your opponent? is it making your totally own build and try to win with it , but it itsn very likely bacause some stupid skills like jagged bones+ soulreaping and steady stance + fear me.
What is the honorable way to win. yeah yeah laugh that HA is a joke but please answer me.

tomcruisejr · Jan 26, 2007, 11:38 PM // 23:38

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Originally Posted by Mr_Unlucky

Today we played the ``Zergway`` with our guild in HA. And when we won and someone from the opposing team said ´´All you want to do is bring IWAY back´´
I though that the build we are running is .. well ofcourse its copied, we didnt invented it, but i mean the build we are using is lame to run?. We are lamers course we are playing that build (zergway) because , I dont know why.
My question is. Im trying to make this understandable. Is running someone elses build lame is it bad thing to do, will people hate me because i get fame with it? What is the honorable way to win your opponent? is it making your totally own build and try to win with it , but it itsn very likely bacause some stupid skills like jagged bones+ soulreaping and steady stance + fear me.
What is the honorable way to win. yeah yeah laugh that HA is a joke but please answer me.

sometimes you gotta learn to fight/trash talk back.

lioka pelenoria · Jan 28, 2007, 03:07 PM // 15:07

Proof that IWAY was ingenious:

That everyone today tags their latest gimmick with the suffix " _way".

My view on this is that ANET overnerfed the good things in the last metagame. It started to seem like getting right somewhere around mid august last year... there was solid skill balance, there was a good core of metagame builds, then anet buffed the mind(x) spells along with other ones and the meta shifted. THis was ok. Then Nightfall cameout. With so many things overpowered by nature (Searing flames..., Blinding Surge, spiritual pain) that in January i near gaveup this game when they didn't release a skill rebalance after wintersday ended. Heres some changes that would need to effect in order to restore the metagame balance...

-Mesmer: all aoe type spells damage reduced by 15-20%
-Elementalist spells: Strong "crippling" condition effect spells need to cost at least 10 energy (they infact did this), and all aoe-dot spells need to see a 50% increase in damage area. A class who is supposed to do damage but has only a small set of skills that actually do is sad...

-Ritualist: in order to make this into a monk (anet's intentions), add to Spawning power: "Restoration magic spells you cast heal for additional 3 health for each rank in Spawning Power

-Dervish: 20% damage reduction all across the board, or...

-Warrior: increase base armor by 20

-Rangers are fine if the armor increase is done to warriors.

-Assassins are ok

-Paragons: Indended to be a seconadary frontline character, these need their damage increased in some way, attack speed probably best (match to a sword), they also need the +20 vs physical (the thing that makes a target hard)

I want to see that old Utopian metagame (8/8/06) we once had, but that will never happen.

*lemming* · Jan 28, 2007, 07:28 PM // 19:28

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Originally Posted by lioka pelenoria

these need their damage increased in some way

You have to be kidding. Paragon damage isn't high enough as is?

Skuld · Jan 28, 2007, 11:23 PM // 23:23

I'd like to see a change to cruel spear to make it usable ¬.¬

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-Ritualist: in order to make this into a monk (anet's intentions), add to Spawning power: "Restoration magic spells you cast heal for additional 3 health for each rank in Spawning Power

Rits are the best healers in the game, unfortunantly they don't do prot nearly aswell as a monk, that is the problem.

Billiard · Jan 29, 2007, 12:22 AM // 00:22

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Originally Posted by stueyman2099

Sure, why not. My side came from Lulu the other day who said that Izzy came up with it and Te ran it.

Izzy talked about this while I was up there. He said he still has the PMs about when he first mentioned the build to someone and their response (not sure who the someone was, but it could have been Te). Bascially he comes up with the build for some reason or another and PMs it to someone else. The someone else runs it for a while and PMs back that its nice and simple and they are going to keep running it because it keeps on winning. Later he gets another PM from the same person saying now they are seeing other people running it as well.

So while someone else may have run it before Izzy told the build to someone else, it really didn't start proliferating until then.

*lemming* · Jan 29, 2007, 01:40 AM // 01:40

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Originally Posted by Skuld

I'd like to see a change to cruel spear to make it usable ¬.¬

Kestrel likes Cruel Spear.

Manfred · Jan 29, 2007, 02:49 AM // 02:49

That would be because kestrel is a silly person. Also, killing him is like having sex with madonna, which I don't think can be said of anyone else in a guild of QQ's caliber.

On a substantive note, I don't think paragon damage should be buffed, Although you may be reading into intent and whatnot, I rather like the shout and chant support character we have.

Ensign · Jan 29, 2007, 08:08 AM // 08:08

What's wrong with Cruel Spear?

Peace,
-CxE

Thom Bangalter · Jan 29, 2007, 08:15 AM // 08:15

Aw...I always get excited when I see an Ensign post but I'm often let down when they're only a quick quip.

Cruel spear is amazing, and I try to sneak it onto bars when I'm guesting on a paragon.

Thomas.knbk · Jan 29, 2007, 02:31 PM // 14:31

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Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter

Aw...I always get excited when I see an Ensign post but I'm often let down when they're only a quick quip.

+1
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Ensign · Jan 29, 2007, 07:27 PM // 19:27

Well I wouldn't call Cruel Spear amazing, but it's a solid enough elite. Top-flight+damage pushes it well over 100 on a critical, the Deep Wound missing occasionally on spikes isn't a big deal since you usually have redundant Deep Wounds on spike. But your target is knocked down (or snared) pretty often, so you're either guaranteed the Deep Wound, or your Warriors are getting a ton of auto-crits, so it works out either way. I'd be happy to drop it for something really sweet but there's nothing that impressive in Paragon TBH.

Peace,
-CxE